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MartijnElfers
Level 9 Contributor

Azure DEV/TEST pricing in CSP

Hello,

 

Is there any information or insights regarding the availability of Azure Dev/Test pricing in CSP? Is this something on the roadmap?


Cheers, Martijn E.
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MartijnElfers
Level 9 Contributor

Hi all,

 

During the last Licensing Update (May 27th) provided by the great Louise Ulrick, it was noted that Dev/Test pricing is indeed not available for CSP yet. She shared that it's on the roadmap for in the future. Hopefully we get more information from Microsoft soon! 

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Link to call, statement around time stamp 45:00. 

https://commercial_licensing.eventbuilder.com/event/15140/occurrence/13780/recording?rauth=58.856778.30e13c058a89d7e71bf1f186d253eab3d4719bb43a919177a385fa39f0eb6a58


Cheers, Martijn E.

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MartijnElfers
Level 9 Contributor

Last week I joined a Microsoft workshop that happened to addressed this topic. There it's stated that Dev/Test pricing is expected to be introduced sometime H2 FY22. So it's close and coming soon! 

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Cheers, Martijn E.

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mike_hou
Visitor 1

What about Azure Plan for DevTest (https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/offers/ms-azr-0148g/)?  Is it available for CSPs?

MartijnElfers
Level 9 Contributor

At the moment, Dev/Test pricing in CSP for Azure (classic) and Azure Plan is not yet available. 


Cheers, Martijn E.
fsieweke
Level 2 Contributor

Hi Matijn,

do you know if there is anything on the Roadmap to make such offers available fpr CSP-Partners (Direct & Indirect)?

It is very frustrating not to have the availabilty yet when the talk with potential customers get to this point 😞
Thank you in advance!
Cheers,
Flo

MartijnElfers
Level 9 Contributor

Last week I joined a Microsoft workshop that happened to addressed this topic. There it's stated that Dev/Test pricing is expected to be introduced sometime H2 FY22. So it's close and coming soon! 

MartijnElfers_0-1627457317864.png

 

 


Cheers, Martijn E.

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mthaher
Visitor 1

Hello,

as we are in May 2021 ,Is there any information or insights regarding the availability of Azure Dev/Test pricing in CSP? Is this something still  on the roadmap?

VisionetD365
Level 1 Contributor

We are a Systems Integrator positioning our CSP to a Microsoft ISV who uses the MCA Dev/test pricing for both their Basic dev/test IP on Azure and their Standard dev/test IP on Azure. My question is this: Is their a migration path available for this ISV to move both their Basic and Standard IP from their current MCA Dev/test pricing to our CSP pricing WHILE retaining their IP for both Basic and Standard? if so, I would appreciate a procedure for doing this. 

 

Thanks! 

Joe Hommrich - Visionet

joseph.Hommrich@visionet.com

JanoschUlmer
Microsoft

@VisionetD365 : If you accept that under CSP they will not have discounted Dev/Test pricing, you can provision CSP subscriptions to their current tenant and then move resources to the new CSP subscription. Azure DevOps can be relinked to a different subscription also if they use this.

Kind regards,
Janosch
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VisionetD365
Level 1 Contributor

Hi Janosch. here's a follow-up question: Q1: Can we move a standard public IP from client subscription to CSP and retain the public IP in new susbcription. ( as per documentation seen , we understand this is possible for Basic SKU and not Standard SKU). Could msft help in retaining the same public IP and Q2: can the client retain their devtest subscription and pricing ( directly with existing MCA) , even though their prod enthronement has moved to CSP subscription? Thank in advance for your helpful info. Best regards, Joe

JanoschUlmer
Microsoft

As I understand you have standard load balancer that can't be moved, correct? I'm not sure if support can help with retaining the public IP, I would raise a ticket on that and ask. 

On the other question - the customer can have subscription as from different channels in the same tenant, so they can have a Dev/test subscription from MCA side by side to prod subscription via CSP.

 

 

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Janosch
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NikolaiBlackie
Visitor 2

It would be good to have this resolved. How are CSPs meant to provide good service to our customers if we can't resell the right licenses.

JanoschUlmer
Microsoft

I agree that it would be great to have the offering more complete, it was decided not to have this specific offering for now.

Would be interested to learn what kind of value-added service you are providing for customer that are using Dev/Test offering. Are you designing the development environment or DevOps flow for them?  Reason I'm asking is because CSP being a program for Partners providing value-add services the decision to have such offering always depends on the business scenarios where this would be useful.

 

Also in CSP you can not sell the Visual Studio Subscriptions required to make use of a dev/test azure subscription offer - what is the scenario for your customers? Do they have Visual Studio already using other channels?

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Janosch
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Mazime
Level 1 Contributor

Hi Janosch, 

 

I'm following this thread as well because I just had a request from a customer regarding buying Virtual machines in dev/test. I do not get your point regarding the CSP Visual studio subscription, since the CSP can sell these subscription.

 

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/subscriptions/vscloud-csp

 

JanoschUlmer
Microsoft

Hi @Mazime :

The Visual Studio Monthly subscriptions available in CSP are not eligible to use Dev/Test Azure offerings: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing/ 

 

 

Kind regards,
Janosch
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Mazime
Level 1 Contributor

I had missed this information, thanks a lot for the clarification, 

harryM
Visitor 1

Hi Janosch, 

 

As CSPs we offer many services to our clients around Azure and CSP in general, I have found myself here as I have a customer who has an Azure subcription with me on CSP and wants to do some test and dev, but cannot understand why MS won't allow them to manage both under CSP and is insisting that the Dev/Test goes through a credit card. Additional services we offer around this would be a complete billing relationship as there are backend office costs to having multiple suppliers, we also have a huge amount of Azure services around discover, plan, build and manage services. In this instance we would be offering the end client project management support and utilisation of our Azure Architects and specialists. 

 

Thanks

Harry

 

JanoschUlmer
Microsoft

Thank you for the feedback. 

For this customer, where would they get the Visual Studio Enterprise subscriptions from? You know, in order to leverage Dev/Test offering each user needs to have Visual Studio subscription, which is also not available in CSP.

 

I received feedback reg. general plans - it is considered to have this in CSP, but considered means there is no final decision and no concrete roadmap or ETA as of now.

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Janosch
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IXS_SJackson
Visitor 1

Can we not resell an appropriate version of Visual Studio through the Open licensing program for such scenarios?

 

We provide similar offers to those mentioned above by HarryM, and it is always a challenging conversation to talk about having to pay more for Azure resources, or buy a subset of their Microsoft licensing using a Credit Card.

JanoschUlmer
Microsoft

Yes, this would of course work (until end of 2021, since Open License will be discontinued then, Open Value/OVS will stay longer), but Dev/Test subscriptions still need to come as PAYG or EA. Note that customer can also request to pay via invoice for PAYG subscriptions if they have a certain minimum consumption.

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Janosch
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Wilfried
Level 1 Contributor

Hi Janosch,

 

I am following this threat with a lot of interest. E.g. we have a customer that is consuming 50-60% of his ACR with DEV/Test Subscriptions in EA at the moment. As a service provider we integrated our ITSM completely with his Azure DevOps stack so our Ops-part is generally consumed by all subscriptions (patching, error resolution, etc.) but the more complicated tasks come from the DEV/Test Subscriptions as there is a lot of action going on there. Due to the fact that we deliver the complete ops service (=value add) the customer was interested and willing to shift Azure Consumption from EA commitment to CSP via us. The process was supported by Microsoft Sales and Partner Management but at the end we had to stop this initiative. Our Partnermanager is in discussion of this topic with colleagues and the responsible Manager on global level - I can bring you in contact if you want. 

Generally the Microsoft AMP Initiative could get much more support by exising service providers if they could compensate their DC Operation incomes with Enterprise Customers (EA) through CSP. At the moment this excludes the DEV/TEST portion which can be quite significant and a show stopper...

BR, Wilfried

JanoschUlmer
Microsoft

Interesting. What was the plan reg. the Visual Studio Enterprise Subscriptions for this customer? So, even when Dev/Test azure would have been available via CSP, how would the customer license the required Visual Studio Enterprise Subscriptions?

 

If your PDM is discussing this on global level already, there is probably not much I can add to this - with this concrete business impact they are much more able to influence future discussion on this than me. If they seek for a contact to the CSP program team, you can tell them they can reach out to me.

Kind regards,
Janosch
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