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v-jillarmour
Community Manager

Evolving the Microsoft Partner Network programs

Building on our 30-year relationship with partners, we're evolving to help grow your business and meet customer's changing needs.

 

Starting October 2022, the new solutions partner designations will help identify your broad technical capabilities and experience in high-demand Microsoft Cloud solution areas. They'll also showcase your demonstrated ability to deliver successful customer outcomes.  

 

Success is measured by performance, skilling, and customer success. 

 

Nothing changes today. You have time to prepare and assess the new program. 

We want to help you grow your business and to recognize your success and continued commitment to our partnership.  

 

By attaining solutions partner designations, you'll demonstrate your organization's breadth of capabilities to deliver customer success in the solution areas where we see customer demand and where you can scale to meet customer needs. 

 

More info HERE

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v-jillarmour
Community Manager

@Matt_H 

 

YOUR INQUIRY:

"is there any word on when the incentive requirements are going to be adjusted for the new MPN program? And what the new incentive MPN requirements are going to be?"

 

RESPONSE:

Microsoft has not publicly announced the details of the FY23 investments and incentives for partners. We have provided guidance on the options as partners plan for the upcoming program changes.

 

For partners who have a legacy competency, they have options to continue attaining partner incentives.

October 1, 2022, through September 30, 2023:

Option 1: Attain a solutions partner designation. Meet the requirements and immediately become eligible for incentives.

Option 2: Purchase legacy benefits (benefits you received based on the legacy competency you held on September 30, 2022), package. This option could apply if:

Legacy competency is renewed by September 30, 2022.Solutions partner designation is not attained. You can continue to be eligible for incentives until your first anniversary after September 30, 2022, or later (until October 1, 2023) if you choose to purchase a legacy benefits package on your anniversary date.

Double incentives will not be possible.

 

October 1, 2023, and beyond: Attaining a solutions partner designation will be required to be eligible for incentives. Legacy competencies and legacy benefits will no longer be recognized as eligible criteria for incentives, unless otherwise stated in applicable incentive program terms.

v-jillarmour
Community Manager

@Matt_H I've inquired internally, waiting for a response. Thanks for your question! I'll let you know as soon as I can get to someone! 

KKirby
Level 5 Contributor

So the new program removes Gold & Silver designations and puts partners into a smaller number of categories (six) that have a much broader range of services, which means that partners are no longer seen as experts in a particular specialist area and the are in a much bigger pool of partners with the same designation. Why would partners agree to such a watered down program. And there is no direct grandfathering of Gold to Expert in the new program, meaning that partners will have to spend a lot of time and money gaining new certifications in order to qualify to be part of this new watered down program?? That really does not make any sense. Quite apart from the fact that it appears Microsoft is throwing away the legacy investment that loyal partners of many years, even decades have shown, now they are being asked to adopt new certifications to qualify for a program in which there is LESS differentiation for them than before. AND they are being asked to do so in under six months at considerable additional cost.  Does that make any sense? to anyone? Not one single partner I have spoken to is on board with the new program.     

kkirby@techassoc.com
Matt_H
Level 5 Contributor

I broadly agree with you, but just to play a little devil's advocate:

 

The current competencies are Byzantine to comprehend. Customers can't easily tell which competency relates to what ability. Other than seeing that we're silver or gold, the thing(s) we're silver or gold in are meaningless for the most part. I think streamlining to 6 major ones with more understandable names is good here.

 

There are still specializations and expert programs, thought there isn't much information about them currently. For example, Modern Work has: Adoption and Change Management, Calling for Microsoft Teams, Customer Solutions for Microsoft Teams, Meetings and Meeting Rooms for Microsoft Teams, and Teamwork Deployment.

 

Partners don't need to agree or be onboard. Microsoft is going to do what Microsoft decides to do. Having said that, they invested a lot over the years in building up their partner community, but they don't seem nearly as interested lately in maintaining that investment with some of the recent changes like this, the poorly-executed NCE, and kicking out smaller direct CSPs.

 

 

KKirby
Level 5 Contributor

Hi Matt,  Actually I disagree with you that customers can't tell what competency relates to ability. For example Project & Portfolio Management. For customers looking for a specialist in this area the PPM competency is exactly the ability that customers are looking for and need. In the new program this  gets lumped into Business Applications, but then a PPM partner is in a much bigger pool of partners in BizApps and there is no differentiation at all.  And in fact a PPM partner has skills that cut across 3 of the new categories - for example PowerBI is the reporting tool of choice for PPM deployments but that's not taken into account when mapping skills from PPM Gold into the new program. In fact it means a Gold PPM partner today has skills and certifications fragmented across 3 of the new solution categories and means that the 70 score may not be reached in any of them.  And now it means that even achieving Expert level in Business Applications is so much more onerous (and costly) that the effort required to do so across 3 solution categories is simply not tenable. Far from making it simpler, Microsoft have made it considerably harder to manage for partners. 

And in fact your comment about Modern Work is a lovely example - Most customers will simply look for a partner with skills in "Teams" rather than a set of narrower sub categories.   And what does Modern Work mean to customers. Most simply don't understand it.  Our own research with customers and within the broader partner communities with which I am involved bear this out.   Whilst internally we understand the alignment to Microsoft's internally designated workloads, the reality is that this was really only ever an internal categorisation and most customers just don't understand it and remain product aligned.  So if you talk to customers about products and benefits they get it straight away, if you start talking to them about Modern Work or BizApps you can see the eyes glaze over!  And this is the problem - partner designations need to mean something to customers, not just to partners and Microsoft alone, and that seems to have been missed in the consideration of this new program. Designations have to be customer focused to be meaningful and of value.  Once the perceived value is removed then partners will lose interest. 

I do agree with you though that in recent years Microsoft seem to have stopped listening to partners or consulting with them, and the debacle over IUR benefits, NCE, direct CSP's, and the new Partner Center being full of bugs since its inception a couple of years ago means that this is just another example of such an initiative that hasn't been properly thought through, sadly. 

 

In the interests of transparency as well as being CEO of a Microsoft Partner business, I am a consultant working with technology companies and provide advice and services around building partner programs and member communities. I am a Consulting member of the American Society of Association Executives as well as a Former Worldwide President of IAMCP (and International Treasurer for IAMCP for many years), and a member of the IDC Partner Channel Advisory Forum. 

kkirby@techassoc.com
Matt_H
Level 5 Contributor

Kirby,

 

Other points of view are always interesting. Particularly when they are that well presented. I'm in the SMB section of the market.

 

Regarding PPM competency, the naming is great. The requirements, not so much. The current requirements for PPM are for 2 or 4 individuals to pass Microsoft 365 Certified: Teams Administrator Associate. I don't believe MS-700 has anything at all related to Project in it. Interestingly, I believe MS-700 is also the requirement for the SharePoint competency (possibly in combination with MS-100), as well as the actual Teams competency. So passing the Teams Administrator Associate test qualifies someone for Project, Teams, and SharePoint competencies. I'm not saying the new system will be better. I'm just saying the current/old one does have all sorts of issues.

 

Two competencies whose names aren't so clear are "Cloud Productivity: and "Windows and Devices". I don't think it is particularly clear that Cloud Productivity equals broad experience in the Office 365 suite of products or that Windows and Devices equals knowledge of Intune deployment and management.  I do agree that Modern Work is no clearer than Cloud Productivity or Windows and Devices in expressing that experience and ability.

 

It is interesting that they broke up Azure into 3 distinct designations (Infrastructure, Data & AI, Digital & App Innovation) but didn't see any need to do that for M365 (Modern Work) or Power Platform (Business Applications). I'm guessing that the specializations and expert programs are supposed to provide the distinctions within the designations. If so, it would be helpful if more specializations were currently available. Right now it seems very much work-in-progress.

 

I really hope that with this change Microsoft has gotten all of the major partner-oriented changes out of their system. Between forcing direct CSPs to go indirect, NCE, and this there has been a lot of change in the past year that takes resources away from actually selling, implementing, and supporting the products for customers.

JASA1976
Level 6 Contributor

I'm in agreement that the competency requirements at the moment are misaligned and need to have something done, but I think part of the problem is that Microsoft discontinued a number of exams such as those for SharePoint. To be able to continue the Collaboration competency they seem to have opted for the exam closest which was then MS-700 which is also the requirement for the Communication competency, so get one get the other, but in reality are unrelated for most partners or customers.

 

If Advanced Specializations and Expert level programs are going to be the main way ti create distinctions between partners then I think Microsoft needs to up the game on what they class as Modern Work as we have no expert level program.

Also what about if your customers aren't on the journey to the cloud for whatever reason. We still have customers deploying using SCCM for example or large on-premises infrastructure not suitable for Azure that gives us nothing in the way of recognition.

Matt_H
Level 5 Contributor

I mostly agree with that.

 

Regarding the advanced specializations and expert level programs, Modern Work currently has 6 Advanced specializations: Adoption and Change Management, Calling for Microsoft Teams, Custom Solutions for Microsoft Teams, Meetings and Meeting Rooms for Microsoft Teams, Modernize Endpoints, and Teamwork Deployment. However, none of them are particularly attainable by a SMB-focused shop as they all require a minimum of 2,500 monthly active usage growth in the past 12 months (and most are 5,000 or 10,000).

 

KKirby
Level 5 Contributor

I agree on the certs for PPM - that's because MS retired a number of exams directly related to Microsoft Project & Project Server/Online and never replaced them - Huge mistake. Ironically I had several discussions with people at Microsoft on this just over a year ago including Catherin Mikhlin who is now one of the 3 architects of the new program. I won't go into details but suffice to say that despite asking they completely ignored my advice and its now apparent that they went down an entirely different route, completely ignoring PPM (again) whcih is sad.   However PPM is not the only competency affected by this change in a similar way and the fact that you will now have to score more than zero in ALL of the sub-categories is going to put a real burden on partners.  Kind feels like being back at school where you'll be marked against your homework.  There are so many things in the new program they feel "broken" already that I'm really not sure how Microsoft will fix it, or perhaps they'll just be content to lose loyal partners of 30 years standing and move on.  I've often said that the MPN program is a little like being in a marriage.  You agree on some things, disagree on others, sometimes you fall out and then make up again.  But this really does feel like one side has "cheated" on the other, and I can quite easily see divorce on the horizon. I'm certainly not the only one voicing an opinion on this, although I may be more visible than many!  

kkirby@techassoc.com
Matt_H
Level 5 Contributor

1) Something seems to be broken with how our progress is being calculated for CSP claiming types. We are a gold small and midmarket cloud solutions and silver cloud productivity. The old SMB competency shows we have double digit positive net new customers acquired. Under the new solutions partner Modern Work - SMB, it is showing we have a double digit negative net customer adds. It also shows 0 deployments and 0 usage growth, both of which are very wrong. How do we get our situation looked at and fixed?

 

2) The Solutions Partner Benefits Guide says that all of the designations get "Dynamics 365 Partner Sandbox" licenses for CRM and Operations. The Business Applications designation also gets normal, non-partner-sandbox licenses. For a Modern Work partner, how do these Partner Sandbox licenses compare to our existing Customer Engagement Plan licenses? Are they effectively the same, so the net change will be reducing from 60 to 25 CRM licenses, but gaining 25 Operations? Or are they really Sandbox-only licenses so we'll effectively have to start paying for Sales if we want to continue using it? I don't see Marketing specifically mentioned. Is it still included in the "Dynamics 365 Partner Sandbox"?

 

3) The legacy Enterprise Mobility Management competency had a SMB partner option. The way the new Security requirements are structured, I don't see how it would be possible to obtain by servicing SMB customers. EM+S is at least as relevant for SMB's as for enterprises. Security really needs an SMB option path like Modern Work.

 

4) With these changes, the main thing that a customer will be assured of when contacting a Microsoft partner, is that the people they are talking to are very skilled at selling more licenses. They might be technically competent, but not necessarily. They may support their customers well, but not necessarily. They will be very good at selling every last additional license, though.

 

5) Is there any better place to communicate with Microsoft about the above points than here? 

 

Thank you.

v-jillarmour
Community Manager

Hello @Matt_H I have inquired within and gathered a few responses for you:

 

1. For data integrity questions, you should contact support. Support will track and flag any bugs to engineering.

 

2. The Dynamics 365 Partner Sandbox products are indeed sandbox-only licenses for dev/test use scenarios. Dynamics 365 Customer Engagement has been announced to be retired as a SKU since 2019 (Administer Dynamics 365 customer engagement apps | Microsoft Docs). However, note that all partners can seek to renew their existing benefits as per the FAQ.

 

3. Thank you for the feedback and we will pass it along to our security designation team.

 

4. N/A

 

5. If you are a managed partner, you could start with your PDM, but if you are not managed, you should review the resources and then contact support.

 

I hope you find this helpful! 

 

Matt_H
Level 5 Contributor

2) I thought the renewal of existing benefits was only valid until October and after that the only choice would be to lose existing benefits and take the new ones? If we renew in December, we'll still be able to renew the existing benefits?

 

3) Some more related feedback:

          a. Security and Modern Work - Enterprise only counts CPOR, not CSP, which doesn't make sense.

          b. Modern Work - SMB does count CSP, but only takes the higher of CPOR or CSP, so if 80% of customers are CSP and 20% are CPOR, those CPOR customers are ignored (or vice versa).  Doesn't make sense either.

 

Thank you.

NickatTheta
Level 7 Contributor

In our case too, I believe the solution area measures are incorrect, and I have been raising and chasing support requests for over 6 weeks now. I believe some of the metrics data is incorrect, and is inconsistent across the different Partner Center reports.

 

For example the Insights report on Office 365 MAU for May and June shows over 18,000. Whereas the solution area Modern Work - SMB - CSP MAU shows negative 5500.  I have similar questions about net customer adds, and deployments in Business Applications, where we have new customers since last 12 months, or they their use has moved above the USD threshold.

 

Totally agree on the Security where CSP is not even considered. I asked the question at a Q&A. Still waiting for an answer.

ChristianFUMEY
Level 5 Contributor

I can confirm using many tickets opened by the partners I work with that Insights exports and Solutions measures are false because NCE subscriptions are incorrectly or even not at all included. Could be the reason why the Customer eligibility dashboard is always not available in http://aka.ms/PCS.

 

Regarding Security, and I saw your question, Nick, from my point of view, there are no reasons for CSP to be considered because Microsoft wants Solutions partners and not Sales-only ones. If you look at Advanced Specializations, it's already like that: CPOR or PAL, PAL or CPOR, and only these 2 attachments. And yes, add PAL to your Azure CSP sold subscriptions and in fact to the tenants of all your customers. And CPOR since the early beginning of any projects.


Christian FUMEY | OnLineO | Consultant & Founder | eCoaching Partner Center
v-jillarmour
Community Manager

@Matt_H 

 

2) Correct. This is outlined in the first paragraph of the Benefits Guide (https://assetsprod.microsoft.com/mpn/en-us/benefits-guide-learn-more-about-updated-benefits.pdf).

jcmarko
Level 3 Contributor

There are two interesting paragraphs that I just read in the FAQ:

 

On your next anniversary date after October 3, 2022, you will have the following options:
• Maintain a solutions partner designation if you have attained one. To receive the solutions partner designation benefits you will pay the annual fee. Annual fees for solutions partner designation will be aligned to the legacy gold competency fees.
• Retain your legacy silver or gold competency benefits and pay an annual fee. Annual fees for legacy silver or gold competency benefits will be aligned to the legacy silver and gold competency fees.


I have a legacy competency and will not attain a solutions partner designation. What is the process?


Competencies and associated badges will no longer be valid after September 30, 2022. You will continue to receive legacy benefits (benefits you received based on the competency you held on September 30, 2022), for legacy competencies until your next anniversary date. After that time there will be an option to continue to purchase legacy benefits.

 

So, does this mean if we don't qualify for the crazy requirements for the new program, we can still retain our benefits but just have to pay what we've been normally paying as a Silver or Gold partner now?

 

Joe

AndyPetty
Level 3 Contributor

@v-jillarmour - I have the same question as @jcmarko  but I want to try and get a definitive answer specifically about IUR.  In the FAQ's it mentions, "you will continue to receive legacy benefits (benefits you received based on the competency you held on September 30, 2022), for legacy competencies until your next anniversary date. After that time there will be an option to continue to purchase legacy benefits".   So if we decided to stay as a 'legacy partner' at our April 2023 renewal, pay our old gold membership fee etc. we would be entitled to all 'legacy benefits', does this really mean all the IURs we previously had access to, including D365, Azure credits, etc?  Or, as I fear, IURs will be reduced / not the same as our 2022 renewal.  It is just not explicit enough for me and  I am just trying to gauge the potential financial impact on us from a licensing and Azure spend perspective for 2023.  Not to mention our ongoing investment into D365 as a business application. 

v-jillarmour
Community Manager

I don't have an answer for you, but I will try to find someone that does! 

DanFugett
Visitor 1

Did the question ever get answered in terms of specific MSoft commitment to partners who will not be transitioned by the Sept 2022 deadline?

jcmarko
Level 3 Contributor

Andy, I feel it is so intentionally vague because they haven't figured that out yet. Wouldn't be surprised if there is a reduction in IUR benefits as time goes on (which is crazy to me since that cost must be minimal compared to total revenue). Am sure there is a spreadsheet floating around Microsoft-land detailing any savings to the last penny.

 

Today with one of my clients, we did a video about relationships. The people guiding this decision at Microsoft should probably watch it.

 

The misguided focus on larger targets and sell, sell, sell to what it seems is the exclusion of everything else -- while also attempting to take away the tools to sell -- is going to bite us all. It's the startups and small companies of today that are going to be the bigger companies tomorrow -- and how relationships start -- at the beginning.

 

That Viva email tells us every day to "make today count" -- so I am by helping new and existing clients grow and run their businesses with the best platform out there.

 

Just stop pulling the rug out from under us Microsoft.

 

Joe

KKirby
Level 5 Contributor

Hi Joe, Yes that's correct, and its the first step in the the way that Microsoft are finally removing the IUR benefits previously associated with Partner status and getting Partners to pay for IUR licences instead. Its a typical accountants approach.  If Microsoft thinks they are going to sneak this past the noses of their Partner community I think they're in for a big shock.  And removal of benefits from the Partner status level makes no sense at all. Most partners won't make it to the equivalent expert level (Gold in old money) because the requirements are so a) complex b) ridiculous.  It means most partners will "ditch" the badging, maintain some level of benefit at lower cost. This "de-valuing" of the program and status level is clearly flawed but time will tell whether Microsoft is able to turn this one around. They've given both partners and themselves a hugely ambitious timescale to do so. (now just 5 months). The clock is ticking! 

kkirby@techassoc.com